If you google around, you will find lots of discussions on the Blue Ray format controversy. I decided to simply list my top 5 reasons (top 5 not all the reasons) why a Blue Ray DVD player will never enter my home.
1)Freedom and Spyware
I refuse, absolutely, and unconditionally, to be told when, where, how and in what type of machine I am permitted to watch a movie in my own home. Case closed, give it up. I couldn't care less if you would pay me to have the player in my home, make me a movie star, whatever, no one, let alone a corporation, is going to tell me what to do. I also refuse to have my movie watching choices monitored (and potentially screened by who knows?), have my email sold to marketing companies who will them email me with $2.00 coupons for the latest $30 movie title it decided "You might like this". They can all swear up and down that "they take my privacy seriously", but I have the right not to believe them, and I don't. Not since a certain DRM inspired rootkit fiasco.
2)Internet Connection Required
The Blu-Ray FAQ
states that you don't need an internet connection for "basic playback"
Do I believe that, for now, maybe, however, the bait and switch will come. Otherwise, why bother with BD-Plus? BD-Plus allows vendors to download and update codes into your player? If an internet connection is NEVER required, BD-Plus is useless. At some point you will stick in a new Blu-Ray DVD and the machine will stop working and display on the screen "For your viewing pleasure, you will no longer be allowed to watch movies until server validation occurs" because the DVD uploaded the code telling the player you must phone home.
See, for YOUR sake and viewing pleasure, it must be PROVEN that you are behaving like a good little consumer, following their rules. Besides the implications in my first reason, it is impractical. Not everyone has broadband so is it required to install a second phone line, get local unlimited internet dialup access for the privilege of watching a movie. Once you connect once, will they NOW require you are always connected? Does the ISP cost get billed directly to the manufactuer? What if there is no access in the room you want to watch? Are you going to run phone wires through the walls, be forced to purchase a wireless router, etc. The list of problems with this requirement are simply too much to list, and they can change the rules at ANY time (Thanks to DRM)
3) Software Faults and Crackers
Ok, you have your friends over, you slide in the DVD (rented and unfortunately for you, scratched in a critical way causing confusion in the player) and all of a sudden you get a Message on your screen "This DVD can't be certified by our servers, you will NOT be allowed to watch this movie, we're sorry for the inconvenience. If you feel this message is being displayed in error...".
I believe, UNCONDITIONALLY, in your inability to create bug free software. Before you get upset at that, NO ONE, not just you, writes perfect software. As close as it may come is NASA where every line of code is reviewed by 3 people and they strive for 100% complete path testing. If you wanted to achieve that level of quality control, your DVD players would run in the tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. They won't cost that much, you are not doing that much testing and there will be bugs that impact customers. I have 17 years professionally as a system test engineer, all telecom, and no matter how good it gets, ALL software has bugs.
This will be internet connected device, and is updateable through communication over the net to your servers. The software controls WILL be under attack by skilled crackers, your server(s) may well get compromised by skilled crackers, and when it does, and your server dutifully downloads all the wrong keys disabling thousands of machines, what will you do? After the first successful virus attack is made on Blue Ray devices will you provide, free of charge the anti-virus checker and subscriptions? How about a spyware checker, how about Trojan protection. And NONE of the above is done in ANY way to increase a users enjoyment of a movie.
4) Computer Compatibility
I use Linux. I have never used professionally anything other than UNIX or Linux, and at home, Linux only. 100% of my hardware purchases are made with Linux compatibility in mind. I will never use another OS, and since Blue Ray will ONLY work on a DRM infected operating system, it will never have a place in my computer. You aren't alone though, I will never use or own an iPod, Download DRMed music from anywhere (I don't download any music actually) until and unless FULL Linux compatibility is available and I can listen to the music the way I want, when I want, on whatever player I decide. I threw this in so that you can see that personally, I am not just picking on Blue Ray out of the blue.
5) What do I get?
Seriously, I am not joking, what do I get. I currently have a DVI input big screen TV. You are going to cripple the full HD Effect to non HDMI inputs.
"Also, if this flag is activated, then the player must downgrade any signal that is leaving the device on an analog connection. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players honor this flag and will only output fvideo at 540p - and as we know 540p is not really high-definition. "
Does anyone reading this think that flag won't be set? I ALREADY get that quality from my upconvert DVD player. Why would I want to put up with #1 through #4 to get an experience I am already getting. Rich interactive experience you say, I say "Go Away". These are the 4 buttons I use when watching a movie. Start, Stop, Pause and Rewind. I have ZERO interest in joining an online discussion group to talk about the movie, or stream in interviews, or whatever other "rich experience" you might have in mind for me. I want to watch a movie, plain and simple.
Well, there you have the top 5. Notice how price isn't even a consideration? The technology makes it unsavory at ANY price. I never did get to the part where you can change the DRM rules as YOU PLEASE at any time and take away something a consumer COULD do in the past. I could make this a top ten, but why bother, isn't 5 reasons enough?
NOTE: HD-DVD is not much, but is a little better, than Blue Ray in my opinion, however, 4 and 5 apply to it, so I'll pass on that technology as well.
Happy Trails
Follow Up Story
Another Blu-Ray Update, Some Good News
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P.S. All this in a futile effort to eliminate piracy.
Friday, June 16, 2006
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Dang! Nobody could have said it better.
I'm just counting the days until the wife's Dell dies and then there will no longer be a Windows system in the house. All my CDs and quite a few DVDs are ripped to my file server where I can play them on demand anywhere in the house my laptop or zaurus can go. (The iRiver iHP 40Gig jukebox lets me play all my CDs ripped in Ogg format in the car.)
Thanks for the comment. All my collection is ogg too. I guess iRiver is the way to go for me.
I agree with everything you wrote, i have ipod buyers remorse, i am kind of stuck with it as i paid a lot of money for one, but its terrible software and i would never buy music from them. Back to Blue Ray, DIVX (the original one) tried to outplay DVD having all sorts of copy protection and we see how well that faired. If consumers just don't buy blue-ray, it will go away. At least we can hope!
Kamel, it shouldn't be a total loss. Amarok and gtkPod can sync and download MP3s to the IPOD, so it is still usable as a portable music player. When I am in the market for one (I have siruis in the car) and stereo throughout the home, so my need for a portable player is minimal, it will be iRiver, native OGG support.
Ah...a person of my own heart!
Individualists of the world unite!
Dadgumit....I have an iPod with only my own music on it which I loaded on my Mac from my CD collection. It's designed for my music!
I am converting all my own favorite music from wax of 1920 to reel-to-reel to whatever to CD, so I can hear it when I want to hear it.
Blu-Ray perhaps will go the way of the consumer Beta Tape, which many of us thought, for a moment, might make the grade and bury VHS!
Ah well...
All good reasons why not to get blu-ray, but at 25-50 gigs per disk, that's a big draw....
Thanks for the true article.
The emperor's clothes.
www.tratfor.com
Can anyone say zealot? The whole post is full of meaningless speculation, full of things like "you'll eventually get a screen like this," inventing future scenarios as a means of setting up an argument...
It'd be nice if, just for once, a Linux user talked about technology _without_ adding in their "religious" messages into the discussion...
fantastic view point. I do agree with what you say, and more. corporations are dictating to the world how consumers are to behave, and they employ ever medium they can buy to enforce their dictates. from all forms of media and both sides of politics to the educational institutions and even the clergy. only the geeks are up to the fight.
Couldn't of said it any better, you hit the nail right on the head.
Morons:
It's iPod, not IPOD, you are the same twats who spell Mac in capitals and DivX, DIVX!
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7825/currentstatsv122qe6.jpg
and PS3
your blog=fails
I don't mind buying DRMed music or movies. I don't mind using the content "the way it is intended to". But I agree this is going too far!!
Three years ago I was going to cinemas almost weekly... now has been 3 months I'm not going! That's because prices went too high!!Lower the prices (a lot) and you'll fight fight piracy in a better way!
I agree wholeheartedly. I have a major point of contention with Blu-Ray as well, that is not listed here. I have a huge DVD collection, and it was added to again over the last few days. Being that Blu-Ray is not compatible with DVD, and HD-DVD is, the choice is clear for me. I will not replace my movie collection again, especially when I'm still working on replacing my VHS movies with DVD. The amount of data available on a Blu-Ray disc is irrelevant to me if thousands of dollars of movies are rendered useless.
You rock!
For the love of god, it's "... couldn't care less", not "could care less". The latter is the exact opposit of what your trying to convey -- just think about it for a moment.
They (corporations) have been monitoring us for years already and they are just tightening the choke chain now. Our natural gas and electric usage has been monitored since the early 1900’s this is how they have busted indoor pot grower. So you go ahead and think your bucking the system by not purchasing this product, but within the next 25 years you will not be able to turn over in your bed without some corporation monitoring your sleep experience.
dugg!
Ok... while I respect your rant, you've got a few facts wrong. Your current DVDs are 480p, and that's it. A 1080p BD downscaled to 540p looks MUCH better than your 480p DVD upscaled, because it has far more detail to work with on the downscale. Much like true HD programming downscaled to an EDTV looks better. Second, your DVI connection will work just fine assuming it is HDCP compliant. You're confusing HDMI and HDCP. One is a connection type, the other is encryption. You can use an HDMI to DVI connection. Third, even if you don't want to ever need a connection for playback there's some of us who like the technology... oh, and of course it's darn handy to be able to do firmware updates. You whining about the second phone line is just downright ridiculous and I think you know it.
I love my Blu-Ray equipped PS3 - movies look great on my new HDTV. No complaints!
IMPACT is NOT a transitive verb! It is a noun.
You can't "impact" something. You can have an "impact on" something, but you cannot "impact" it.
"Morons:
It's iPod, not IPOD, you are the same twats who spell Mac in capitals and DivX, DIVX!"
Some one seems to be rather case sensitive...
You only see one side of it, for all that there are more reasons why you should buy it.
Think about the Game Developers, how much content can they fit into it Amazing 50GB of data, there is competition its simply the best !
We all understand that the technology allowing for a "true multimedia convergence" is already here: every device and file format could be compatible with everything else. We all know that, if the companies allowed us, it would be possible to purchase a song or HD film online in an uncrippled format and then watch it in the device you wanted. None of these 5 things would be an issue.
We all understand this.
However, Average Joe makes up 99% of the population. And to him, it's a different picture:
1) Freedom and Spyware: if it doesn't work in this or that device, Joe will think it's the technology that's incompatible. And Joe probably doesn't have any privacy concerns.
2) Internet Connection Required: see no. 1 - Joe will think that the Internet Connection is indeed required by the technology!
3) Software Faults and Crackers: we know that if it breaks down because of a bug in the DRM, it could've been avoided in the first place. Average Joe hasn't a clue, and will dismiss it as just a regular breakdown - after all, all things break down.
4) Computer Compatibility: Average Joe uses windows. And he'll be glad to install any rootkits the corporations tell him to install. I've seen a mostly tech-savvy friend become all excited about the "fantastic" CD player software that was loaded with autorun when he put an audio CD in the drive.
5) What do I get: like before, if it doesn't work, Average Joe will blame the technology, not the corporations or the DRM or whatever.
So what can we do to change things? We can make our own choices, but will it make a dent in the corporations' big plans?
Don't get one then! Ha ha. A crap reply I know. But actually it has some truth. Why get one? You know that it is a tool to flog you films that you've already seen. So don't play along and don't give them your cash - it only encourages them.
*plug alert*
For an alternative you can check out my forthcoming FREE feature film at www.circumferencefilm.com
you should proof read your postings
I'm a very, very slow adopter. I bought my first DVD burner this year. My first DVD player was purchased years after DVDs had become the norm. I may never switch to these new formats, and even if I do, I won't be replacing any of my current DVDs with the new format.
Well, for the "pro-Linux" point: an iPod is just a piece of hardware and, as others have pointed out, there is software that allows Linux to connect to them. Or do you require official Apple software?
If you're really against the DRM crap then just install Rockbox onto the iPod - you get a nice piece of hardware with some decent software on it. Think of it like buying a PC with Windows then installing Linux.
Other than that, they are fairly good points. I do think that BD will be a great medium for data discs (go 50GB)!
dunno about you but the PS3 runs Linux and can playback the Blu ray content... So take it that this will disprove what you are stating. I thought that this was a intelligent post however you seem to be misinformed about some things. PS3 runs Linux, from which you can play Blu ray content. PS its Blu-ray not Blue ray, think this might have been written by a 5th grader
I'm not a Linux zealot. I'll get a Blue Ray or HD DVD player (whichever one survives) whenever they are under 100 bucks. I'm not made of money!! Upconverting is not perfect but will do nicely in the meantime. About privacy, if you have a credit card, you've already lost a lot more of it than Blue Ray could ever take away.
Just 2 comments on my anonymous brethren:
[At 8:05 AM, Anonymous said...
IMPACT is NOT a transitive verb! It is a noun.
You can't "impact" something. You can have an "impact on" something, but you cannot "impact" it.
]
Actually, you're wrong. Impact *is* a verb:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=impact
[At 8:11 AM, Anonymous:
Some one seems to be rather case sensitive...]
LOL !!! Loved it
Peace
Y'know I'm a Networking Systems Engineer myself and have been in IT for 13 years. One day you'll be old and look back and say WTF did I do with my life! Then you realize you've spent countless hours say tweeking Linux,trying to figure out why some scripts didn't work, find out the best way to rip off something, etc. Find the balance to be like the average Joe but still be able to enjoy technology then use that spare time to enjoy your family and friends. Some people gotta get a life.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said in your well-written blog post. I too am a linux user and agree with most of the previous comments too. The problem is that the people with your (our) level of technical expertise account for probably 0.005% of the population. As all this new technology filters down to the masses, fewer and fewer people will care or have the technical wherewithal to understand the issues to complain loudly enough about it.
Dude, you're a jackass.
That is all I have to say about that.
"I could care less if you would pay me to have the player in my home".
...Umm, I think you meant "COULD NOT"
you are a tremendous fucking nerd piece of shit
Uh, 540p == 1080i. 1080i == HD. Thusly, 540p == HD.
hi i am a nerd and i am angry at dvds
DVD is 480i. Progressive scan players are guessing the intervening lines.
540p is not the same as 1080i. It's the same amount of information, however, it communicates higher resolution at the expense of frame rate.
I share many concerns with the author. I have an HD projector which only has component video and vga inputs for HD content. The ability of content providers to turn off the HD output when they decide to start using the flag is worrying. Having said that - perhaps the best approach is to not buy DVDs that have the flag turned on rather than not buying the player?
Have you ever noticed that where some might choose to honestly disagree over substance, others (hey "Anonymous", only you know who you are) can only attack grammar? Once that has panned out, then it's off to expletives and childish namecalling? I fear for the future...
Another observation - a bigot given use of a computer is like a caveman who stumbles across a piano. Sure, it's a great piece of technology, but the only way *he's* ever going to express himself is by banging his head against it...
Its a well known fact, "where there is a will there is a way".
I have a a elaborate MythTV setup with 4 clients in different rooms. I won't be getting HDDVD or BD until it works on Linux. And I for one know that they will at one point. There will be a lot of smart people working on cracking copy protection. Our world is a global village due to the internet, DMCA doesn't apply everywhere.
The author is correct, every software has a bug, but similarly every software can be cracked.
Look at DishNetwork, xbox, xbox360 (soon ps3 and wii). They have all been cracked because people "wanted" them crack. I say, don't sweat, I will tell you now that you will be enjoying BD an HDDVD in full resolution on Linux, just give it time.
"http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7825/currentstatsv122qe6.jpg
and PS3
your blog=fails"
Look in the right hand corner under "Board of Directors" you will notice "Microsoft" All M$ has to do is release all of it's software in HD-DVD to eliminate Blo-Ray altogether.
It sounds to me like you are a criminal intent on pirating movies!!
Think of it like this - when you buy the Blu-ray drive, your details are automatically entered onto a database at Sony HQ. Your purchases are already being monitored and when the marketing preference database flags up that you've puchased a movie without your player ever phoning home - well that's probable cause right there, isn't it?
When the Sony-SWAT team comes calling to execute the search warrant, remember, don't go making any sudden moves to reach for the remote!
I for one welcome our Blu-ray Overlords.
xx
Nicely said, realistically this DRM crap has got to stop, nobody will ever get it right, and its very existance only causes friction.
You hit the nail on the head with this one!
you suck
i hate linux losers. phear teh penguin indeed.
btw .. HDMI = DVI .. if your crappy DVI input doesn't have HDCP, you suck. Maybe you should spend more money .. oh no i forgot .. linux losers don't have money... right...
go write some opensource protocol to pirate your movies and music...
My God what an absolutely misinformed load of rubbish.
Shut up.
I think that getting worked up about Blu-Ray may be a bit premature. Only this month has ComScore finally seen DVD usage pass VCR usage. That's almost ten years after the DVD became commercially available. I don't know about you, but I'm in no hurry to re-purchase all of Babylon 5, DS9, the Matrix movies, Frasier, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and all of the rest of my geeky (oh, so geeky) DVD collection on a slightly better format. Just how many extras do you really think they can offer?
And do you really think that we will still be using physical media in ten years? Longer, likely, because DVD's do not wear out as VHS tapes do.
I think that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as a movie-watching format are already likely doomed. When we all have super-high bandwidth internet on our cell phones, I can't foresee bothering with silly little disks.
Interesting how the overall quality of the comments dropped since this got dugg.
Interesting post. With that said....Go Blu-Ray!
The goal of any vendor is to squeeze the optimal profit out of its market. I think it was Rousseau (or may be Larouchefoucald) who stated it succintly regarding taxes being like plucking feathers from a goose: the trick, he said, is getting the greatest number of feathers with the least squawking.
The problem here is that the mass market, particularly in America, is very materialisitc and is only concerned with instant gratification and entertainment. with little concern for much else. America's savings rate is 0 and has been for sometime. So the market doesn't squawk much and more nad more feathers are pulled.
The reasons given are very valid reasons for an individual to reject DRM-based and DRM-enforcing technology. And I will resist it myself. I do own an iPod and I use it to play ripped music--never have and never will visit the iTunes store. But marekts are made of many individuals whose actions are averaged out. So while each of us can make our own choices, we have little influence. the best thingto do is buy stock in the firms so that you have gains to defray the costs of their yoke.
Do any of you consider the possibility that while one of these may acheive minor or short-term success, both will ultimately fail? I've heard the argument of typical people wanting to own some tangible medium to prove they "own a movie", however this isn't the case for most of the people I've asked among my friends and co-workers. They enjoy their Tivo's enough to udnerstand how great it is to have video on a hard drive, especially those who are not techies themselves. I think the availability of HD content through on-demand cable/satelite and through online stores (such as iTunes with the upcoming iTV box) will ultimately prove to be the successor to DVD's in terms of HD content. Perhaps people will be storing videos on flash "video storage cards" or something for those who need to hold it in their hand.. otherwise I feel confident in my opinion.
O'course, I could be wrong.
I would have enjoyed the article more if I understood some of the details the writer seems to be railing against. This article seems to be a general rant against DRM as opposed to anything specific to a given technology. That's fine, but labeling it blu-ray seems to be hype.
I also don't think that the requirement for an Internet connection is as nefarious as the writer makes it out to be. For example, how much can you accomplish with a computer with no Internet connection?
And do the alternative(s) like HD-DVD offer anything better in any of these respects?
I'm in agreement. It is 'Defective by Design' and I won't be using it either.
Sorry for all the Digg comment spam. I get the same thing on my blog. I'm getting sick of Digg.
can anyone spell the word...paranoid ?
Way to be a sensational turd. I use linux. I don't purchase entertainment media. Therefor I will never purchase either of the technologies you criticize. Raving like a madman makes you look like an idiot.
"Morons:
It's iPod, not IPOD, you are the same twats who spell Mac in capitals and DivX, DIVX!"
hey yelling guy: guess what? he's not talking about DivX the codec. he's talking about DIVX, the Circuit City fiasco that involved buying a movie on a disc but not being able to play it until your DIVX player authorized a viewing, so the discs would be cheap but you'd have to pay each time you wanted to view it.
"dunno about you but the PS3 runs Linux and can playback the Blu ray content... So take it that this will disprove what you are stating. I thought that this was a intelligent post however you seem to be misinformed about some things. PS3 runs Linux, from which you can play Blu ray content. PS its Blu-ray not Blue ray, think this might have been written by a 5th grader"
let's think about what you just said.
the PS3 runs linux, correct.
the PS3 plays Blu-Ray, correct again.
however, the PS3 will not play Blu-Ray movies through linux, so your point is null and void.
the PS3 graphics chipset doesnt even support drivers as to offset people playing games on it, so why would it play back blu-ray?
sony has best buy stock their $749 blu-ray burner for use in PCs, but that doesnt even allow playback of Blu-Ray movies, it only burns data!
the original DIVX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
I don't trust someone who can't even spell the technology right. It's "blu ray," not blue ray.
It's Blu Ray, not Blue Ray you nub!
Some douche posted this link http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7825/currentstatsv122qe6.jpg
and called this blog author a zealot. Notice how this list comparing Blue Ray to HD DVD leaves Microsoft off the list as a company that supports HD. Not to mention Intel.. Disney is also considering creating content for HD DVD. Here is a more interesting link http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/09/27/hd_dvd_support_a_last_minute_switch/
Reason #4 (you choose Linux) is not really a reason at all, it just looks like one.
After all, you chose Linux, knowing full well that Linux is not competitive or feature-complete in comparison to either Windows or Mac OS X when it comes to video production and playback.
You obviously believed that Linux is a better choice for you, for any number of reasons, but dismissing BluRay (or HD-DVD, or any other proprietary format) simply because of seemingly-ideological choices is a bit... churlish.
Hollywood and the various consortiums do not owe the Information Wants To Be Free crowd a liviing. If you only like Linux, fine, best of luck to you, but there is a price to pay for this zealotry.
(To put it in some perspective, it's no use me using Mac OS X only and declaring I won't ever use Linux or Windows, only to then turn around and complain that a Linux or Windows application or service is not available for my beloved Mac.)
Finally, as for DRM, well, really, some of the people around here do need to grow up a little. There are commerical realities involved. If you have intellectual property that you needed to safeguard (and I'm not talking unix utils cobbled together over a weekend here) then I doubt you'd have such a blase attitude towards DRM. It's all very easy to bitch and moan about copying when it's not your IP and artistitic output (not to mention livelihood) at stake!
Dumb. Blu ray is a storage medium, with much higher capacity than today's DVD. I look forward to having that kind of storage medium available to me.
DRM-infect media from **AA is another thing altogether. I don't buy movie DVDs and I don't plan on buying movie Blu ray discs either. Doesn't mean the storage medium needs to be written off entirely.
You echo my sentiments to the letter. I'm not here to be experimented with DRM'd to death electronics and software. I'd happily use old technology that I control and not the new fangled baubled stuff that media companies control. That said, I'm nearing my 30's and there's enough old music and video on my cassettes and cd's and old dvd's that can last me a lifetime. The new fangled stuff doesn't impress me any more.
Agreed! I was outraged that Sony was forcing its gaming customers to effectively underwrite Blue-Ray technology with the ridiculous $600 price tag of the PS3. At least Microsoft made the HD-DVD player a peripheral and only charged $200 (and it came with King Kong on HD-DVD, a $30 value). I got one for Christmas and have to say that there is a stark difference between HD-DVD and a normal DVD (on a HD television of course). Plus, while Blue-Ray may have a vast amount of storage space, the HD-DVD format is far superior in terms of compression quality and is actually far more efficient at utilizing storage space to effectively decompress a picture that looks every bit as good as Blue-Ray in my opinion.
Right on! They'd have to pay me big time to put up with all of that crap.
"Morons:
It's iPod, not IPOD"
If you had a life, you wouldn't have to be a nitpicking stickybeak to get through the day.
Great points. I don't think i'll be buying one either; or anyone else for that matter.
Josh, Sony isn't forcing you to do anything. I don't own a PS3 and if it's such a bother, why would you?
Last I heard, there was plenty of competition to the PS3. If you don't like BluRay, fine, don't buy BluRay.
You do have a choice after all.
As for those people who don't buy DVDs, well, I think we can guess where you get your movies from, and I think it ends in .avi. The simple fact of the matter is that without some form of copy protection, most Hollywood studios would never have agreed to release their intellectual property in a decent digital format. Anti-DRMers can squeal about this all they like, but it's not their intellectual property, is it?
"Plus, while Blue-Ray may have a vast amount of storage space, the HD-DVD format is far superior in terms of compression quality and is actually far more efficient at utilizing storage space to effectively decompress a picture that looks every bit as good as Blue-Ray in my opinion."
Both BR and HD DVD can use "H.264," so their quality and compression can be the same.
The first release of BR movies were compressed with a HD version mpeg2, so what you've stated is true when referring to these movies, but not the newer BR discs. Most of the newer BR movies are 50 Gigs with H.264 compression. The higher capacity means that a BR can provide a better quality movie than HD DVD, if the media exceeds HD DVD's capacity.
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That was one good read!
You seem to have gone through some valid points there, and it seems that I've changed my mind entirely about which player I should purchase etc.
Thanks for enlightening me with this newfound information!
It's iPod, not IPOD, you are the same twats who spell Mac in capitals and DivX, DIVX!
actually, hate to be a nit-picking R-tard but you're wrong. DIVX is capitalised because we arent talking about the video codec. I cant believe someone who cares enough to post something like that could be so obviously ignorant. DIVX is the proprietary disc system, DivX is the codec. Idiot.
Anon said: "It's iPod, not IPOD, you are the same twats who spell Mac in capitals and DivX, DIVX!"
actually, hate to be a nit-picking R-tard but you're wrong. DIVX is capitalised because we arent talking about the video codec. I cant believe someone who cares enough to post something like that could be so obviously ignorant. DIVX is the proprietary disc system, DivX is the codec. Idiot.
fucking baby
You're such a nerd, it's hilarious.
Blu-Ray discs can hold upto 50gigs of data sure, but what is there read and write speed at now 4x/2x?
How many hours is that to make or read a disc. For the same price I can buy how many terabytes of HDD's.
How much are the discs? Im sure it would be possible to buy a 50 gig HDD for less than the price of a Blu-Ray disc. As a storage medium Blu-Ray sucks the big one until speeds pick up by which time something newer or cheaper will be available to do the job. As a movie medium its not as good as HD-DVD, which uses a better codec and gives by most accounts a better image. Dont get me wrong HD-DVD still sucks just less than Blu-Ray.
The phrase is "Couldn't care less" Not "Could care less"
Okay everyone; get it out of your system now before you read this. Say it with me,
“I have no idea what I'm talking about!!!”
Ahhhhh…. now don’t you feel better.
Okay, back to my post…
The “Average Joe”, as myself (I can hear you snickering already), can care less about those 5 reasons. Well maybe Reason 1, the Privacy/Spyware issue, but the others.
Reason 2:
I know this issue harkens back to the DIVX format (not the DiVx Codec) but come on now if you don’t have Broadband by now what the hell are you doing with a $1000 Blu-Ray Player to begin with. Maybe a DVD player is more your speed or maybe a VCR.
Reason 3:
Yeah… if I used my Blu-Ray player to surf the web instead of (in my case) playing games and watching movies.
Reason 4:
Oh please… The “Average Joe” could care less about LINUX. LINUX snob… you think you're to good for this Microsoft World.
OMFG!!! You don’t have an iPod!?! =O
Reason 5:
Honestly, I like the frosting on my cake.
You're completely right. In fact, your points are not able to be argued against - I am a BlueRayer and a fan of it, but your points are completely right.
The only reason to get BR is if you're a completel audiophile. Most people can't tell the difference between 48 hz and 192 khz without some help - I can, and I love it. Hearing the Fifth Element in PCM audio is an experience I love. Corpse bride too. But the vast vast VAST majority of people don't know/care/hear the difference.
Well written.
I gotta say, that this has been one of the most entertaining posts I've read recently. Not only does this writer have a problem with authority, he probably reads conspiracy theories in his spare time to feed his paranoia, when he's not tweaking his shell scripts... Can you imagine what would happen if he were clever enough to invent something and it was a great success, and now he’d be at the top of some corporation trying to protect his own interests?
You guys out there are smart enough to know that you need to get your HD content distributed in some way, beit optical, cable, internet, etc. Choose the one that works for you best, because we all have different needs, desires and wallet sizes!
Neither HD DVD, nor Blu-ray is going to wither away anytime soon. None of the competing or successor technologies will become mainstream in time to stop this technology within the next 5 years.
So you basically want to steal all your movies online, rip them to a DVD and wath them on your home system. Nice.
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I agree with you big boss. Ain't gonna be no bluray or HD-DVD players at my home unless they've cracked it. I positively refuse to bow down to american corporate greed in the form of RIAA/MPAA.
I pay for my content but they sure as hell ain't gonna tell me how *I* can or cannot use it. So screw them.
You may see BD/HD on Linux soon!
AACS was cracked(sort of). (From clubic.com a French news site that referred to doom9 forum)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oZGYb92isE
You had good points even if it had errors/flaws in it(already corrected by comments).
I don't like DRM but I would buy/loan DRM-free HDDVD/CD to friends/family like I do with DVDs now. But I would not share them on P2P. I bought them, do the same!
If a music/movie is to be sold without DRM, would you buy it or get a copy? Authors must be paid somehow or quality content will not be available or will be very rare.
What about EVD(Chinese HD DVD solution)? Don't seem cost much on the hardware side($100 player) from what I have seen and it could be a blow to the 2 other camps if studio decided to support it. But it could be for the Asian market only. :(
Been a while since back. Thanks for all the comments, both positive and negative.
1) Changed to "couldn't care less" thanks.
2) iPoD, Ipod, ipoD, sorry, don't own one, but will fix. What's DivX? :-D Oh yeah, a great technology killed by DRM.
3) Zealot, I don't think so. Proponent, absolutely. Completely wrong, time will tell.
4) I never said Blu-Ray would lose, just that it has no future in my home.
5) Is all DRM and a true 1984 society inevitable, absolutely, if we let it.
6) Second phone line. I visited 4 relatives homes this season. # with dialup = 4. Broadband is not universal.
7) There are lots of great uses for 50gig disks, but not if I can ONLY use a DRM infected OS, only by their rules and always assumed innocent until/unless flawed software decides I am actually innocent.
8) When it doesn't work. PlaysForSure DRM failures resulted in many returned devices. Of Best Buy, CompUSA and Circuit City, none actually recommend a plays for sure device.
9) How I spent my life, Linux and deploying it to my friends and family gave me my free time back. User error, hardware or bugs, whatever the reason, Windows support every single day is the killer.
10) "you are a tremendous f***ing nerd piece of shit". Thanks for the insight. You have shown me the way.
11) Nope, despite RIAA/MPAA, stealing is stealing, and never downloaded content or a movie.
12) "This article seems to be a general rant against DRM as opposed to anything specific to a given technology. That's fine, but labeling it blu-ray seems to be hype.". Very true, I am picking on Blu-Ray because it is including and based on as much DRM as currently exists, multiple pronged. HD-DVD is not as supported by the industry because it has less.
13) "that Linux is a better choice for you". Yes, however, if MS created an OS that didn't think it was smarter than me, did what I told it to do and didn't include DRM in everything it does, I might well be using it.
14)"Can you imagine what would happen if he were clever enough to invent something and it was a great success, and now he’d be at the top of some corporation trying to protect his own interests?" :-D. Through my company, I have 7 patents, but they are actually patentable physical things. I have no trouble paying for good software, I never download or steal content, DESPITE the RIAA/MPAA, because it is stealing.
Sorry for the long list. In summary, thanks to even the people who just posted spam, you helped keep the discussion going. I am not looking to turn back time, get in the way of technology, and yes, it is VERY early in the going to point out all the flaws. Better to be 14 years to early than 1 second too late.
TripleII
"The amount of data available on a Blu-Ray disc is irrelevant to me if thousands of dollars of movies are rendered useless."
With the price of DVD players today, there is no way you can sell your current player for any meaningful value, so if you keep it to play back the DVDs you have now, how do they become useless?
And as for the last minute switch, Microsoft is spreading more FUD with their "reasons", the only real one being that Blu ray is backed by Sony. In case some of you haven't noticed, they're building competing game consoles, and Microsoft has never played nice with competitors.
"You're such a nerd, it's hilarious."
People make fun until it starts affecting their lives. This dope will be complaining in a few years too.... when its too late
I just can't afford it.
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Well....Very interesting article. I would like to add that I am a misician who owns guitars, drums, microphones, PA Systems and almost every piece of recording gear known. I am also an audio/video junkie.
I have tons of Laser Disc movies, VHS movies, DVD movies/concerts, cassettes, etc. I have an XBox 360 with an HD DVD player and uh oh.......will soon own a Blu-Ray player as well. Why? Choice. I love the evolution of technology and love being able to watch old 1930s black-and-white movies as much as seeing King Kong in 1080I or 1080P HD quality.
This is the GREATEST country in the world! Let's not forget that we owe it all to the men and women in uniform around the world who allows us all the freedom of.....CHOICE.
C.
Great post, I agree 100%, except I have an iPod, which I'm okay with.
When are you ever going to get a life? COME ON. BD is the newest t
ing and you will eventually get it. But I see you have avoided getting a PC or MAC. Most of what you said was an exzageration. yuo need to get a life, get Windows or Macintosh, and if you have the money get BD and an iPod like the rest of us.
Blu ray or hd whatever. There is no point buying this stuff anyway. First- technology is new, overpriced. Second- it is unfinished. Burning speed is pathetic, nonexisting software- playback, burning, etc. Wanna play commercial movie on computer? Windows? Linux? Mac? Can you do it on all OS? ok, 50 gigs whatever, but who has so much stuff to burn ? It has to be some video file. You cannot burn 50 gig text files. It will be all library and more. Now imagine disc burning as 2 hour process. Burn it, verify... ups, there is an error- you just lost 15 dollars...
I better wait until dual layer dvds will drop in prices. 2.5 dollar is still to much compared with 30 cents single layer ones.
Ipod is just hardware. Crippled somehow on purpose in order to sell more ipods and music on itunes. I own shuffle secon generation one and I am happy- for jogging is the best small player.
You guys forget one thing- while there is going hidef movement there is going worse movement as well- itunes movies for example. to me they look as divix 2. the same s***y quality and overpriced too. For the same price you can buy real dvd or use netflix or whatever.
I love open source software. Firefox for example- it is the best browser ever. This is a power of community. I use mac too. It is somehow better than ms windows xp. vista... I don't plan to buy it. It seems xp after face surgery and after gaining some weight. Linux... I would like to try it, but I have no idea how to start- live cd stuff scared me. Besides linux is for more advanced- it takes some knowledge to install, even boot it (I think I used slax or something live cd and couldn't figure what a hell I need to do to boot it untill I dug out on internet (not on slax website).
Ubuntu is ok, they even ship free cd with os, but there is no even screenshots on their website...
I DON'T GET WHERE YOU GET THIS INFO???
FROM BLU-RAY WEBSITE
Will Blu-ray require an Internet connection?
No, you will not need an Internet connection for basic playback of Blu-ray movies.
THE SAME IS NOW WITH REGULAR DVD
The Internet connection will only be needed for value-added features such as downloading new extras, watching recent movie trailers, web browsing, etc.
SOME CURRENT DVDS HAVE INTERNET CONTENT AS WELL.
It will also be required to authorize managed copies of Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network.
OVER HOME NETWORK! NOT FROM PLAYER TO TV. CAN SOMEONE TRANSLATE THAT?
IN MY OPINION HOME NETWORK MEANS OVER ROUTER/INTERNET/INTRANET, BUT NOT FROM PLAYER TO TV!
Will Blu-ray down-convert analog outputs?
No, Blu-ray players will not down-convert the analog output signal unless the video contains something called an Image Constraint Token (ICT).
DO YOU GET IT?
This feature is not part of the Blu-ray Disc spec, but of the AACS copy-protection system also adopted by HD-DVD. In the end it will be up to each movie studio to decide if they want to use this "feature" on their releases or not.
SO FAR THEY DON'T USE IT
The good news is that Sony, Disney, Fox, Paramount, MGM and Universal have already stated that they have no intention of using this feature. The other studios, which have yet to announce their plans, will most likely follow suit to avoid getting bad publicity. If any of the studios still decide to use ICT they will have to state this on the cover of their movies, so you should have no problem avoiding these titles.
WHEN YOU WANT TO BUY COPY PROTECTED CD IT IS YOUR CHOICE!
Will Blu-ray support mandatory managed copy?
Yes, mandatory managed copy (MMC) will be part of the Blu-ray format. This feature will enable consumers to make legal copies of their Blu-ray movies that can be transferred over a home network.
COPIES!!!! WOW STARTS NOW!!! WELL THE ONLY CATCH IS THAT YOU CAN'T DUMP IT ON HARD DRIVE... ONLY TRANSFER...
Please note that "mandatory" refers to the movies having to offer this capability, while it will be up to each hardware manufacturer to decide if they want to support this feature.
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Ok i guess im not the only one out there that thinks this blue ray disc sucks and its a waste of money i have been into electronics my whole life im 20 years of age next month im 21 but anyways let me get a peice of this in about blue ray i think blue ray is a complete waste of money see when vhs and laser disc fought im glad vhs won cause laser disc were stupid they were the size of a record and what happens if they got scratched movies would skip but anways now thease days its dvds and hd dvd vs blue ray ok for one sony is crap its a import from japan just like a honda civic but what im trying to say is didnt sony get killed on umd movies like lets see yes it did cause umd movies were trash why have that when you have dvd portable witch is more better qaulity more hours of battrey life bigger screen like about 8 inchs then a 3 inch widescreen of psp plus they wouldnt make umd players cause umd is garbage now they make thease blue ray disc ok sony isnt trying at all are they i guess not see they made blue ray disc so they can kill copy protection so what big del a hacker will end up cracking that blue ray to make copies plus theres nothing really wrong with copy protection cause its just a object material things its not like someone beat somneone to death dang! and lets see last night in best buy they wanted like almost 50 bucks for a blue ray movie when you can get the dvd for like i dont know 15 bucks i mean comeon you cant even rent blue ray and blue ray is just garbage dvd is the best you can get sony is just making thease cause there losing money ps3 didnt sell very well wii and 360 have been proven to be sold as the best systems of 2007 cause they way they made the systems with dvd auilty and not no stupid qauilty and i doubt very much when it comes to video games blue ray hold more graphics it holds just more images dvd is the best way to hold graphics blue ray is also been proven to still be around the 128 bit world era around that maybe even like 128-250 bits of graphics while dvd can now hopld hmmmm lets see like 360 bit graphics its a good thing 360 and wii went to 360 bits instead of going with a blue ray disc shit even the new 360 elite is cheaper then a ps3 and i go to gamestop and see no blue ray movies sold in there and i also see that they have a crap load of ps3s in stock while the 360 elite and wii get sold out alot shows how crappy sony is and how crappy blue ray is im sticking with dvd forever and blue ray will never have a hdd drive in a regular blue ray player thats like a dvd player now dvd recorders do have a hdd in the player so you can ethier do 3 things with it record to disc or hdd or rip movies to the hdd so that shows how good dvds are and how much better dvds sell then blue ray discs blue ray discs arnt being sold as much as dvds so dvds kill blue ray just like you did with the umds and one more thing i wont be surprised if our next generation things are like lets see game systems are like ipods you download games instead of them selling the games in stores 2 they qiut making dvds and go to hard drives now hdd are the next generation ipods you download games movies music pics everything now by 2010 or 2011 you will not see dvds blue ray or anything you will see hard drives where you download mvoies on it by hooking it up to the net and download same goes for the next generation systems you will have to buy a points or something like a itunes card to do downloads for games movies music just watch its been mentioned 2 years ago thatt the next genration is gonna be like
Perfect Post! However, I think many of us will end up bying if we havn't already, but you've said everything that I was thinking.
You are an outlier. You do not matter. Blu-Ray Disc will win the war and you will be left behind with no High-definition playback mechanism. So sad, quit griping.
whoever wrote this article is the dumbest fuckin idiot in the world, not based his bullshit on any facts, all he has done is made up some random crap that he pulled out his arse. dont listen to this shit face
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The issue about not having a Linux-compatible HD-DVD or Bluray player available is a bit of a pain, but when it comes down to it I'm not overly bothered. I have a Windows XP desktop (don't hate me, my laptop is Linux as will my future desktop be) which is capable (through the codec provided by Nvidia) of playing DRM infected DVDs. Want to know how many times I've done that this year? 0.
When I watch a DVD (high def or otherwise) I want to do so on my TV, using a standalone player. My TV (a 19" LG flat panel) has an HDMI input which I'm not using (my only HD source - X360 - uses component) so when/if I buy a standalone HD-DVD or Bluray player I won't have any problems.
I'd love to use Blu-Ray, if they hadn't insisted on all this DRM.
I'm not against DRM. I can see why companies use it, but there is a limit. I fail to see how the fact that I use Linux should affect them. That's not protecting their rights, it's stripping mine.
I prefer Blu-Ray, the actual disc. If given the option, I'd go for the technology with the higher capacity. If only that wasn't all they had going for them...
you claim you're a unix user, yet, you're upset at being constricted or suppressed by all this fancy technology such as blu-ray and ipods? good grief how long were you whining about copyright protection on vhs or dvd's? have you at least figured out how to get a movie over to a blank vhs tape? lmao.
also to the idiot that posted
'everything now by 2010 or 2011 you will not see dvds blue ray or anything you will see hard drives where you download mvoies on it'
well, you're an idiot. even if something like this would happen, it's not going to be on a fucking hard drive. can you say, 'solid state drive'?
another thing, linux currently supports playback and rw/+r/-r[w] for those of you who are scared or unaware.
Wow, what an idiot. If you were so credible and found so many sources on the net, you would have typed "Blu-ray" instead of "Blue Ray". Second, if you are so big on Linux, why don't you go out and get a PS3 since it uses Linux and even allows you to install Linux. Can't do that on an Xbox 360.
who gives a shit what you think?
I have noticed another reason not to buy either HD or Blu-Ray. I'm still undecided about HD-VMD. (Wife is a Bollywood fanatic.) I got a salesman to play me a direct comparison of DVD and HD-DVD on the same player and screen today. The HD-DVD looked good, but not drastically better than a normal DVD. The DVD looked horrid. It was worse than when played on a standard DVD player. If I went with any version of HD it would make my 1000+ DVDs look bad. (That is over 1000 bought, legitimate, commercially pressed and packaged DVDs.)
Plus, I bought a 57" HDTV (1080i, component input) just after 9/11 along with a DTS/Dolby 5.1 sound system. If I go with HD or Blu-Ray, they are worthless due to HDCP (no hi-def over component.) They want to punish me for giving them money 6 years ago. They want me to spend thousands more on a new setup. Tell me, Sony and Toshiba, what new surprises do you have for us when DRM is fully functional the way you'd like it. Pay-Per-View for every title all the time? Why do you assume that I'm a crook from the very beginning?
For me the hi-def wars are pretty much over. DVD wins.
yeah i just drived an hour and bought a dvd which turned out to be an encrypted "blue ray dvd" which can only be decrypted with "the blueray player" which costs an obcene amount of money... most agravting attempt to make me buy into a crappy monopoly where they literally apparently assume your a criminal when i just wanted to watch a dvd THAT I PAYED FOR.
i swear to god at least 40% of blue ray discs are bought mistaken for dvds, and you know the cuality isnt that much better, you hsv to be really stupid to buy into bluray and have them control every aspect of your movie going.
Blu-Ray
-Blu-Ray has large capacity which might make it a winner in HD format war because you will be able to fit more content into it.
-Slow burning speed might be a problem for the end user because he propably chose blu-ray because it had a larger capacity to storage content.
HD-DVD
-No Regions.Propably best idea for next HD format.If I can't play it I
download it from the net.
Seriously why do I have to pay for the same product twice.
-Smaller capacity might be a problem for game makers in future because size of game files grows fast.
-Better compression. Question is how many users will ever notice it.
Both:
AACS might be a problem for some time but propably it will be solved quickly after the format war will be over.
BTW: There might be also possibility that there will come players which will support both formats. In that case movies would be realised in HD-DVD and games in Blu-Ray.Pirated content will be prpably burnt to HD-DVD disks (mostly movies) and on Blu-Ray people will burn games, but since burn time will be long they will mostly store games on some hard-disks
You might find yourself going back on that title statement when you buy your next computer.
Blu-ray disk recorder/players are popping up in more and more PCs. Only if you buy an upscale Toshiba laptop are you likely to find a HD-DVD player included.
Manufacturers don't want to include a 1x speed HD-DVD recorder drive that you can only find 1x HD-DVD recordable disks at 30GB when they can include a 4x or 6x Blu-ray recorder and 4x Blu-ray disks with higher capacity.
The good news: LG makes a 6x Blu-ray recorder that can also read HD-DVD at 3x (not write to HD-DVD). So, you can watch HD-DVD movies on your PC but when it comes to storage options Blu-ray is what is happening.
perfect, your stupid enough to think that all thigs must be exactly the way you SAY... ahahahhahahahaaa... the world can rest in peace now, without you moron
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Not all Linux users are the same. I for instance, have no problem with buying blu-ray, just not on a computer with Vista. I deinstalled Vista because it sucked for what I was trying to do, and I ended up learning to use Ubuntu as a result of my discomfort with Microsoft's pushy monopolist tactics. Such as "you need Vista, just because", because why? The answer is "so we can offer you hd-dvd, and DRM, so the movie industry can put paid content on your machine, and so we will have a killer app to get you to adopt Vista over XP". The answer to this is, if I want Blu-ray or HD-DVD I will get a separate which lacks the complexity to do anything more. As for storage, it is still cheaper to use DVD's than to buy blu-rays/hd-dvd.. I'll wait until the drives are fully hacked and useless to the movie industry and the media is so low because everything is off patent.. Which will be in another 7 years or less depending on how wise consumers get.
Ubuntu Linux is what I use now, and I'm fairly comfortable with it, I give up some things, but I have new freedoms. Like I no longer have problems backing everything up. Microsoft has too much of a concern for piracy that it permiates and limits consumers from doing anything useful, like making complete backups of their configuration or reinstalling the OS without losing user accounts.
I think Linux just intimidates a lot of people, so they complain about Windows, but when it comes to linux they will defend Windows, WTF.
I got tired of being one, and switched.. Now I feel confident in complaining about Microsoft.
At least with Linux, you have a real choice, not just either Mac or Windows.. You have Linux, you even have FreeBSD.. Or you could also just not use a computer and purchase a media management center or a remote control. BTW, most set-top boxes and media centers are linux based, so you may not really know if you are using Linux. BTW, my YP-T9 Mp3 player uses the same version of Linux that the mars lander uses.. Microsoft's days are numbered, until they adopt Linux and stop trying to pervert stuff..
Linux is the only thing they can't pervert and it will forever be the fire beneath thier asses, pushing them to perform tricks like a Turkish bear on hot coals.
I agree with the orginal poster.
I won't buy any Blu-ray movies until I can watch them on Linux without spyware.
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Can the forum admin remove the guy posting all those links? im enjoying reading everyones opinions as i just found a Blu-Ray (notice i didn't say "BLUE-RAY" for all of you literary professors out there) player for PC for $150 on geeks.com if anyone is interested. I am a Network Admin (only been in IT for 3 years so im still noob compared to some of you guys) but i am interested to see if i can setup up a MythTV box with that will play Blu-Ray. Please continue with your opinions as they are all (well mostly all, anonymous users seem to be at the bottom end of usefullness) valuable.
I agree and get your point on your five reasons on why you hate blu-ray. But there more than 5 reasons on why to use blu-ray. And one of them is the more than five times storage capacity.
Blu-ray will never be in your home because:
YOUR MOM THINKS ITS THE DEVIL!!!
jesus u need to get laid, why do u hate blu ray so much? is not like if they making u buy it... oh wait u will have to buy it someday we need to advance.. nvm keep crying N-E-R-D
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I want a blueray player. A heavy one, so I can hit the DRM and movie film industy people on the head when the player refuse to play the movie I bought!!
You're forgetting two things:
1. DVDs also have DRM.
2. DVD-Video standard also has the provision to revoke decryption keys, but it was never used.
Blu-ray adoption is so low that you'll never actually need internet access to play Blu-ray; the corporations behind it simply won't take the chance of discouraging people from taking up the technology.
Blu-ray will be easily, conveniently and user-friendliably playable on Linux. Whether it involves DRM enforcement or DRM cracking is the interesting question.
I also use Linux only and will never bring DRM into my home. I can understand why people use bittorrent. There is no other option if you want watch a high def movie from your linux box. I wish I could rent a bluray disk and watch that, but I guess I will have to keep renting dvd's until someone cracks the BD stuff.
I do, however own an ipod, but, as the os is busted, I have replaced it with rockbox, so that I can play flacs and watch movies. Doesn't run on newer ipods so I will have to buy something else if/when I upgrade.
Man, you are spot on!
I personally detest this "hi def, lets get in loads of debt to upgrade" nonsense thats going on. In the uk, "Hi Def" is simply UPSCALED standard definition! Blu Ray is the worst "emperor's new clothes" scenario I have EVER seen! £25-30 for a "50 gigabyte" disc that offers NOTHING other than the movie (maybe a commentary) WHAAAT! As for seeing this enhanced quality, well, unless we've all been cybernetically upgraded with robovision, I personally cannot tell the difference. Also, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INCLINATION TO DISPOSE OF A MASS DVD COLLECTION I HAVE SPENT AGES GETTING!!! stick that in a ps3 and smoke it SONY!!!
Oh yeah, BD+ sucks arse! I hate being told what I can and cannot do with something I have spent hard earned on. I do not own any "hi def" kit and guess what? I have no intention of doing so either. I am quite happy with my dvd collection (special editions...lovely extras, sony blu ray fans!!!) I know someone who bought into this crapola and they regret it bigtime! they boasted when they got their shiny ps3, bigass tv combo. But when their blu ray didn't work, boo hoo! My dvds worked just dandy!!!!!
Cheap way to "do" HI DEF!
Go buy a UPSCALING dvd player.
If you have a lcd or plasma tv use the HDMI input.
A RGB scart input works great too.
You can keep your dvd collection, and they will look a little better. and you haven't paid a premium price for a poorly featured, DRM ridden, SPYWARE laden, disc system that probably won't last (and may ONLY play on ONE player!!!) Blu ray...hmmmmmph! EVERYHING sony touch these days seems to turn to kitty litter! PS3 grill, anyone?
It must suck to be you. I guess you won't be watching many movies since you feel you have the right to copy/pirate anything you want any time you want. The mere fact you use Linux proves you're an idiot. Get a Mac already. It's UNIX done right. Linux is for crybabies who can't decide on a single unified standard. It means that software companies are expected to support multiple packaging formats (when 92% of the planet has a system with ONE packaging/install format and the other 7.8% also has ONE format that's even easier to use).
Linux, being 0.2%, thinks software companies should offer 10 different ways to install software for a dozen different window managers and at least two major desktops environments...for less than 2% of the market! The egos.... If you can't decide on a standard, just let everyone do whatever they feel like. You end up with digital anarchy, AKA Linux. No pro software support. No games (save converts by twats). Just two-bit open-source crap and hackers that have to break international laws because they feel they're ENTITLED to watch DVDs, but not pay the license fees that everyone else pays. You can't buy a pro player because no one supports a system that can only get 2% of the computing population...and that 2% are egotistical elitist shitheads that don't even WANT new users lest they feel less elitist. They love archaic CLI interfaces for everything and don't WANT a unified GUI for the common user because it means someone other than more elitist shitheads might actually use Linux. And we can't have that.... No no. Personally, I don't know why OPEN or FREE has to equate to elitist pricks, but that's exactly what 85% of Linux users are. The other 15% are idiots who beg the shitheads to teach them how to use Linux so they can get free stuff with bad documentation, no user manuals and usually just a "Man" page to explain how their two-bit hack of a program works.
You see I can talk because I'm an elitist shithead myself. I know how to use Linux and even have a version of it installed on a partition on my Windows XP game machine (not much else use for Windows). But then I discovered the Mac, which actually has Unix in a USABLE and UNIFIED form. Imagine that. The power of Unix with the simple interface of a Mac. And I can still tool around with a shell if I feel elitist, yet every day operations are a breeze. Yes, Steve Jobs is a controlling dickhead that wants you to buy his bizarre monitor in a box hardware, but there are ways around that. Meanwhile, that tool known as Bill Gates and his company couldn't design an efficient operating system to save their pathetic lives. But at least their Direct3D API works well for 3D gaming, something which Linux doesn't really have unless you count Tux Racer and some ancient version of Wolfenstein or Unreal Tournament. Macs suck ass for gaming too but you can add Windows via Boot Camp and virtualization programs like Parallels and Fusion. Try that in Linux.
The damn Crossover Pro doesn't even work right. I've tried it. And like a good Linux thief, I nabbed it for free since no one in the Linux world believes in paying for anything. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised then when it didn't work for crap. Imagine if I HAD paid for it. What a waste of time and money...just to get something to work that should already work anyway, except like I said, the world doesn't care about 2% of the computing population, especially when they're elitist shitheads.
As for Blu-Ray, it's a TRUE HD format. But AppleTV lets you rent 720P movies at a reasonable price (takes about 1 minute or less here to start playing). So I rent on ATV and buy the few movies I'd actually want to see more than once on Blu-Ray. But you won't see Blu-Ray for Linux unless someone hacks and steals to get it to work. Good luck convincing someone from Finland to risk going to jail again just so you can watch a movie without paying for it. Meanwhile, Blu-Ray support will appear Tuesday for Macs, finally. I know Stevie doesn't like disc formats, but he needs to get over himself too.
BTW, if/when you get a real TV (I use a front projector and a very large screen), you'll realize DVDs just don't cut it. When you realize you didn't make the movies you feel you have the right to control, maybe you'll realize it's not a RIGHT to copy/control every aspect of a movie like you own it. If you don't like it, go to the movie theater. Good luck convincing them you should be able to bring your own food and drink in their theater (you cheap ass; I know that's what you're thinking!) and have fun dealing with the kids kicking your chair while I enjoy a Blu-Ray movie on 120" screen in 1080P in the comfort of my own home with 7.1 sound, a steak and Belgium Ale like Delirium Nocturnum while you sneak in that Diet Soda and Hershey Bar now made in Mexico and wonder while all our jobs are going to India, China and Mexico (because your cheap ass won't buy anything).
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Wow. Sucks to be you.
I agree with annoymous, one post above.
After trying linux myself it seems a good way to make life difficult for yourself. Even more so then Windows it seems. I use Vista/OS X, and I have HD/Blu playback on Vista..I dont encounter the problems you suggest. X, on my laptop makes my life easier, and Vista works with almost anything. I don't agree with their companies philosophies but I'm not about to make my life more difficult because of it.
I don't want to spend half an hour figuring out how to put tracks on my iPod/MP3. iTunes + iPod = Job Done. As for DRM going away, you are smoking crack aren't you ? as long as the mainstream buys, it stays. By definition Linux users AREN'T mainstream. I buy HD-DVD/Blu because it's better quality, I preferred HD-DVD as a format, but it wasn't to be. If you guys want to stay with DVD or convince yourselves that upscaled DVD's are as good that's upto you.
A computer's a tool. To help you do things. Not for you to spend more time doing what you originally wanted to achieve.
The phrase is "Couldn't care less" Not "Could care less"
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Blu-ray will never be in your home because:
YOUR MOM THINKS ITS THE DEVIL!!!
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who gives a shit what you think?
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You're such a nerd, it's hilarious.
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It's Blu Ray, not Blue Ray you nub!
These are all proof women and children should be monitored when on the net.
Your first 3 points are BS. It is great that you use linux just remember you get what you pay for (linux = free). I am sure linux will support blu-ray soon.
Dear Anonymous Mac loving douche bag,
From all of my years using various forms of *nix systems, Mac users are by far the most elitist of the elitists. Why do some of you fucks seem to think that because you paid 4x the price I paid for my system, and the fact that you KNOW that any Linux/BSD/Windows OS based computer will wipe the floor, walls, doors, ceilings, furniture, and so on with your much more inferior operating system and hardware gives you the right to spout off about how us Linux users are elitists when you Mac fanboys cream their panties over unboxing videos? Also, Mac hasn't done Unix right, they took it into another direction, locked it up in the foulest prison, and raped the shit out of it....
And about being entitled to play my dvds on any system, including my Linux systems, you're damn right. Paying for rights? Why pay for the rights if I own a copy of the content I intend to use, rip, put up on my server for my home use, make multiple backups if I need to, dance on, break, maim, shoot, shit on, insult, or do anything else any sane or insane person would like to do with their possessions. As far as I am concerned, once I buy that media, I have the right to do what I want with it, when I want to, and how I want to do it, even if that means breaking a "law" to play it back for my and my family's enjoyment. I'm surprised you, a Mac user, is defending Blu-Ray, which is so DRM-locked that even you can't play it on your precious, overpriced, under-performing hardware.
From what I am getting from the arguments from Linux/BSD users vs certain program/hardware manufacturers, is a simple way to use those programs/hardware/games across ANY platform, which would include you, you arrogant little shit, so be grateful for that. It's not a cry to use multiple standards or ways to use a program in multiple environments, because, the last time I checked, as long as the libraries and dependencies are met, programs will compile in just about any os, in any given desktop environment, on any x86 machine (given that machine meets minimum system requirements set in place by the program provider) including Mac OSX. Good example, Wine. It can be compiled in Windows, BSD, Solaris, Linux, OSX, just about any x86 focused os on the market, so put that in your iPod and smoke it...
And, my final bit of information, piracy is more rampant on Windows based os systems than any other os on the market. I'm not talking about the shear size of the marketshare, I'm talking about in number of total users and number of those total users that currently pirate. I'm willing to bet that those numbers are of a higher percentage than those of all other os's combined (yes, that would be Linux, BSD, OpenSolaris, MacOSX, BeOS, Haiku, etc), simply because those users are A) lazy, non working fucks. B) tired of buying inferior/overpriced software/media. C) a combination of A and B. My bet is it is option C.
And not being able to game on Linux.... Try telling that to my Intel core2quad 9550, 8GB ddr3, 9800gtx+, blu-ray playing, Linux-only based frag monster from hell. CS Source, I eat it for lunch. CoD4, been there, done that, got the body count. Left4Dead, zombies still die like zombies, whether on my Linux box or my 360. BioShock, yes please.. Go do some fucking research, I've been playing games for years and intend on doing more in the future.
And yes, since I play DVD's and BluRays, I suppose I do break the "law" everytime I start my computer up (hell, I only shut it down maybe 6 times last year, and that was only to upgrade parts).
G'day.
Wow, you must be very very old and set in your ways. Old people don't have the mental capacity to evolve with technology. Either that or you're just a complete moron. LMAO! BLU-RAY is to viewing movies like turbochargers are to winning races. Get with the program Triple!
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If your media player or format is such that it will require "extra time to futz with" in Linux then the manufacturer is screwing around with you. Using Linux just brings that out in the open for everyone to see. Some of you don't seem to care about that so long as you think of yourself as "fat and happy". Eventually all of that "messing around" will have real consequences for you and by the time you notice it will be too late.
You're like a pot of frogs on a really slow boil.
Nevermind Linux. A guy in his garage (like a guy named Jobs or Gates) should not have to worry about being locked out of the market.
Enjoy your buggy BD players.
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Complaining too much doesn't help Linux. If you really care, do some hard work and crack the formats yourself, since Linux is all about community.
my opinion could be that until now the people do what others told them to do
in the linux comunity the people works together to get what they together want so if we want something like the possibility to get able to watch blue ray discs on our systems we have to make that possible working together to be able to happen
and a way to do it could be to buy the blue-ray company and rights just make to many linux users invest money in a proyect that involve buy blue-ray company then all those linux user would be able to force the blue ray company to support linux and set the desired options
other option its to make linux look like a bad looser forcing the blue ray format to be supported with out any legal right and that only would let us with a very bad reputation and all the others doors will become closed to us in the future because thats what the companies want because they think that we are like a cancer for them trying to destroy all their enforcements to work honestly and bring work to others in the world so the best curse of action its to demostrate to the companies that we are not a cancer and instead desmostrate that we are the cure to their troubles the best way to think its to think like them to understand them like we want they understand us in our efforts to make a best work and a best world
I agree with you mate.
And that's one of the reasons why you shouldn't get a PS3.
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